What should I do now? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_S5PfEncvIVs/SPDMchaRv5I/AAAAAAAAAEM/KKSDvaJTTtM/s1600-h/Image018.jpg, http://s543.photobucket.com/albums/gg455/edmundhan/?action=view¤t=DSC00067.jpg. I recently put several coats of lacquer clear over enamel paint on my wheels before I learned that lacquer on top of enamel will damage the paint. So I'm 99% sure this is NOT the way to go, but I had a last minute change in my finishing technique. but the best way is to remove the lacquer primer . My favorite primer is the bulls eye primer from Zenisser. Lacquer and Enamel Top Coats Once the lacquer is completely dry, it can be over-coated with enamels and acrylic enamels. May not be available in some countries. Help - General. Mainly because the water-based acrylic paint can not stick to the oil-based enamel paint. Painting Over Enamel Paint – Do´s and Don´ts. share. save. Is there a seal coat that can be applied to prevent this reaction and if so, what is it and how should it be applied? Yes, it is okay to paint over your surface that has a lacquer finish. You can't mix it into paint as you can with lacquer. By Nick Filippone, September 23, 2016 in General Modeling. And I did apply light mist coats the previous time. Lacquer … And what alternatives are there other than an airbrush? And to make it more confusing yet, some of the cans in auto parts stores called "lacquer" are actually the acrylic lacquer :-(. By dashotgun, 3 minutes ago in General Discussion. In case the Enamel Paint is not reacting well to the Lacquer you can still remove the previous paint job from the surface by sanding the entire object. Car manufactures switched to baked on enamels, until the today's base coat/clear coats were developed to deal with toxic atmospherics. GET THE MAGAZINE & MORE. Save Share. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Lacquer is a fairly strong substance, that's why it can actually attack and wrinkle bare plastic when airbrushed over. I am working on painting my 1/48 Eduard F6F-3 Hellcat. You can put anything over poly, b/c poly is catalized therefore reducers will not melt it. View Entire Discussion (0 Comments) More posts from the modelmakers community. Unfortunately, there is no real clear answer to the question if you can paint enamel paint over acrylic because it depends on whether the surface has been sealed or not and if the previous paint job is intact or damaged.eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'craftknights_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_2',118,'0','0'])); In short, painting enamel paint over acrylic paint is possible if the acrylic paint has not been sealed with a topcoat and if the paint job is intact. Both enamel paints and lacquer require you to prime your surface and apply the layers on a clean surface. Also lacquer works by melting into the previous coat so if it doesn't melt in it won't bond very well. Either by sanding the surface or by applying a primer. Q: I would like to spray a lacquer finish over an oil-based polyurethane, but have been told that the two finishes are not compatible. Of course, always lightly sand the paint coat before lacquering to prep the surface. You can easily see if a topcoat was applied to the previous painting by sprinkling a few drops of water on the painted surface. Be the first to share what you think! Here are some of the main benefits to choosing lacquer over enamel paint when it comes to refinishing your kitchen or bathroom cabinets. Enamel paints tend to dry very hard, making them much more durable than lacquer paint. If you do not want to bother with all of the hard work involved with painting your car, then enamel car paint with acrylic lacquer in it will suit your needs. This forms a barrier over the acrylic without it being too aggressive (if you apply a heavy wet coat directly to the acrylic base, it will almost certainly "burn through" and damage the underlying paint). Print. Water-based lacquer; Finally, water-based enamels are easy to clean, have less odor, and have less chemicals than the other kinds of enamel. I've made some shaker style doors, I pre-primed the MDF panels with oil based primer prior to assembling the doors. Is anyone aware of any problems doing this. this makes the harder outer shell more prone to chip , lift , delaminate and so on . Patrick I have painted the underside of the plane in Mr. Color C316, sort of an off white, lacquer paint. However, clear enamel is more durable than lacquer. Spraying lacquer over oil based primer. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. Lacquer vs Enamel . this makes the harder outer shell more prone to chip , lift , delaminate and so on . The problem is the lacquer thinner in the lacquer. BondoKing. You'd think that would be a recipe for disaster. While painting Lacquer over Enamel Paint can be quite complicated painting Enamel over Lacquer is surprisingly easy. Enamel over lacquer and lacquer over enamel. when your credit cards are maxed, have the limits raised. SO YES it can be doen . This primer will stick to almost every surface and it is quite cheap compared to other primers. If the acrylic paint has been sealed with a topcoat, however, then things will be a little more complicated. on mixing diff paints-you can try a small area, see what happens, or use a good sealer . Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. Yes, it is okay to paint over your surface that has a lacquer finish. When comparing lacquer finish vs enamel paint, these two finishes have a few similarities. Clear enamel is like lacquer, in that you can apply it on wood or metal. So laying another coat of enamel on, you want to scuff the existing coat for good adhesion. Urethane is also better than enamel paint, since it provides a good finish and doesn't run lines. Enamel paints use a process that allows polymers in the paint to set and bond together so when the paint hardens, it will not soften again. A wet application can cause many paints and finishes to wrinkle or blister, even an old coat of lacquer itself. • Lacquer paints soften over a period of time, … Lacquers have a tendency to lift enamel surfaces. eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'craftknights_com-box-4','ezslot_4',119,'0','0'])); You can get a basic primer in your local hardware store or right here on amazon. Join Date: Jan 2007. hide. Hi All, Heres my situation. If the paint has chipped off or if the paint has thrown up bubbles, however, then it will be necessary to remove the paint before applying a new coat of paint. You can paint Enamel over Lacquer without any issues. Enamel uses thinner or white spirits and lacquer paint uses lacquer thinner. Or will they eat through it because it’s a lacquer? Amateur refinishers should not use lacquer! Today's lacquers are available in both spray and brush-on styles, but both have the advantage of being among the fastest drying of all woodworking finishes.Brushing a lacquer finish requires a little more time and effort, but is probably a little bit cleaner than spraying. I'm thinking i used the wrong kind of clear. This is why many people refer to clear enamel as a varnish. It can lead to the paint chipping or bubbling after a while. I have thrown Acrylic Lacquer over fully cured Enamel for over 20 years. Acrylic paint is water-based while most Enamel Paints are oil-based. The advantage of acrylic lacquer is its exceptionally fast drying time. While each type of paint has its own benefits and drawbacks, one may be more suitable for the job you’re working on. This forms a barrier over the acrylic without it being too aggressive (if you apply a heavy wet coat directly to the acrylic base, it will almost certainly "burn through" and damage the underlying paint). The Enamel Paint has to be sanded off of the surface before the Acrylic Paint can be applied permanently. It is generally possible to paint Lacquer straight on Enamel Paint if the paint was not sealed with a topcoat. After about 3-4 light applications you may then apply a heavier coat (or continue to apply light mist coats until you have the desired finish). And I share my knowledge and my experience on this blog with you so that you can become a maker yourself. Lacquer dries by the evaporation of the solvent. 8,827 Posts #7 • Jun 5, 2010. plural said: Lacquer based paint tends to be more forgiving in that it dries quickly, it lends itself well to sanding, re-coating and finishing. There are risks to spraying any type of solvent lacquer over any existing, and older, paint or finish. Never apply lacquer over enamel paints. Now I decided to go with a precat lacquer primer, and then precat tinted lacquer for the remainder of the coats. Once you have gotten rid of everything it is time to apply a primer. You can't mix it into paint as you can with lacquer. Either way, I would be a little leary of spraying over fresh enamel. 0 comments. You don’t have to worry about picking between enamel vs. lacquer because each have their own advantages and disadvantages. but the best way is to remove the lacquer primer . It isn't unusual to clear-coat an acrylic paint finish on a metal surface, such as on an automobile, with CAB-acrylic or acrylic lacquer. Sort by. report. I looked through the Tamiya website and some other, automotive model forums and found out that it can burn the acrylic quite easily. I personally made quite a lot of mistakes in the past that lead to horrible paint jobs down the road. If that is the case, how do I flat. You can paint Enamel over Lacquer without any issues. no comments yet. Dries quickly, adheres to metal and dries to a glossy sheen. But I would recommend applying a primer before painting the acrylic painted surface to ensure, that the enamel paint will hold for a long time. They do say it's got to be properly cured though first. Enamel uses thinner or white spirits, and lacquer paint uses lacquer thinner. Richard Jones: Use a dewaxed shellac as a barrier, and then spray your lacquer. Enamel paint is known to be able to adhere to a lot of different surfaces even metal. May not be available in some countries. Save Share. Lacquer vs Enamel • The difference between enamel and lacquer paints lies in their solvents. Oh crap, I just went back to look at some of the pictures i took some time ago of my landing gear well before, spraying the laquer coat, and it seems like what I have now shows small patches of grey color(the underlying, primer). This is the one before spraying lacquer which was some time back. on mixing diff paints-you can try a small area, see what happens, or use a good sealer . Lacquer vs Enamel • The difference between enamel and lacquer paints lies in their solvents. Beside above, what is the difference between enamel and polyurethane paint? However, that term is more correct for wood versus metal applications. I don't know how these are different from just plain acrylics, nor how the acrylic lacquer differs from acrylic enamel :-(. Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. With most car paints you will need to remove the top coat of paint to the metal, and then paint it with primer. 6,795 Posts #3 • Mar 13, 2011. theres no guar. Curiously enough, considering the ubiquity of the no-lacquer-over-enamel rule, the Van Sickle clear seems to be a brand new product, marketed specifically for use over Van Sickle's tractor and implement paints, all of which are enamel. best. Rust-Oleum® Auto Enamel Spray provides a long-lasting color finish with superior gloss retention. Apart from this, urethane paint dries off quickly; it's resistant to chipping and doesn't fade easily. Either way, I would be a little leary of spraying over fresh enamel. Which is more durable lacquer or enamel? Always test though on scrap when useing two different brands of paint on a plastic kit, especialy lacquers. Enamel paints use a process that allows polymers in the paint to set and bond together so when the paint hardens, it will not soften again. And it doesn´t matter if the Enamel paint was sealed with a topcoat or not. Pros of Using Urethane Car Paint Urethane paint can be sprayed over most paints, including lacquer. lacquer-based you can spray an over-coat of enamel on the top. I have mistakenly tried lacquer over enamel once, it ruined the enamel by wrinkling it up, looked sort of like a cracked dry lake surface. The problem is the lacquer thinner in the lacquer. You can get both in an acrylic formula, and they both offer water-based and oil-based clear options. Be the first to share what you think! i used duplicolor acrylic clear enamel...i think i should of went with clear lacquer instead. There are risks to spraying any type of solvent lacquer over any existing, and older, paint or finish. Painting over an unprepared lacquered surface would be much of a waste of time because the paint will not find a proper surface where it can form a strong bond. Spraying Lacquer Over Oil-based Polyurethane? There are several things to consider when lacquering over painted wood. You have to get rid of the topcoat by sanding the surface thoroughly. can i spray lacquer over oil based paint. Now, however, both lacquer and enamel paint can be used interchangeably. Viele übersetzte Beispielsätze mit "enamel lacquer" – Deutsch-Englisch Wörterbuch und Suchmaschine für Millionen von Deutsch-Übersetzungen. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. As mentioned above, lacquer is very tough. Reply. The biggest difference between the two types of paint is the solvent. Lacquer can be over-coated with other lacquer, paints, or enamels and acrylics. It is enamel so you can use it over enamels or lacquers. A quick trip to their local home improvement store proves that there are lots of options for how to do this. Lacquers will work over most fully cured enamels that have good film integrity. Painting over an unprepared lacquered surface would be much of a waste of time because the paint will not find a proper surface where it can form a strong bond. Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. clear coat with the Tamiya lacquer over my acrylic? Be sure to spray using very light and quick passes with the can about 10” from the finish. However, that term is more correct for wood versus metal applications. Oh crap, I just went back to look at some of the pictures i took some time ago of my landing gear well before spraying the laquer coat, and it seems like what I have now shows small patches of grey color(the underlying primer). If you must, wash the parts with naphtha and a maroon Scotchbrite™ pad to remove any oil or wax and lightly rough the surface. Which of them you should use really depends on the kind of furniture that you are going to work with. Hi, I am a passionate maker and professional prop maker for the entertainment industry. You can choose from polyurethane, lacquer, shellac, or even varnish. This will ensure, that the paint will be permanent and it will ensure a nice and even finish. And I did apply light mist coats the previous time. Can Lacquers be used over enamels? If you can find Rustoleum clear coat, use that. If the water is absorbed, however, then the acrylic paint has not been sealed. Craftknights also participates in affiliate programs with CJ, ShareASale, and other sites. Not one single reaction. alright, I realised that I have been doing something which I didn't know could ruin my model(thank, God it didn't). Pro: Acrylic Lacquer. Aaron Top. What you experienced is what you can expect from putting any lacquer over any enamel. So sand the topcoat and the paint away as much as possible. Sometimes if the enamel has cured for many years you can get away with it but it's still a risk especially if the enamel is sanded first. Lacquer will soften the existing coats slightly, and you get a bond between coats that way. It is possible to paint Laquer over Enamel Paint. A wet application can cause many paints and finishes to wrinkle or blister, even an old coat of lacquer itself. Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. Can urethane be sprayed over enamel? ACESES5              In the works Tamyia 1/35 Bren gun  carrierr, It seems to be more complicated, because I have seen both acrylic lacquers and acrylic enamels. Can Lacquers be used over enamels? share. Never try to spray on too much for quick results. Or will they eat through it because it’s a lacquer? eval(ez_write_tag([[300,250],'craftknights_com-banner-1','ezslot_9',120,'0','0'])); While it is quite easy to paint enamel paint over acrylic paint it is not as simple the other way around. Hikey Mikey . A topcoat can ensure a longer lifespan of the Enamel paint but is generally not necessary.eval(ez_write_tag([[250,250],'craftknights_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_14',123,'0','0'])); So generally, applying Enamel Paint to surfaces, that have been painted with lacquer, is not an issue. Even an old coat of enamel on lacquer paint tougher, more durable than lacquer and flat sheen you find. Electronics, and other sites the … no, you can paint over... 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